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		<title>Comment on Hard Work by Leisure and discovering DNA &#124; Jon Steinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisure and discovering DNA &#124; Jon Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a piece also expressing the value of hard work, Stu Ellman from RRE wrote, &#8220;hard work does not make you a great investor, great investments do.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Price is Right by autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator>autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR. ELLMAN:

You have an amazing blog on your hands---loves it!

Mr. Ellman, why did your &quot;good friend up in Boston,&quot; go with the 90:10 ratio as opposed to Pareto&#039;s 80:20? I am 100% positive that your good friend has good reason, re: the rule departure, and would love to know why! When your schedule has a moment, would you please share...

Thank you!</description>
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<p>You have an amazing blog on your hands&#8212;loves it!</p>
<p>Mr. Ellman, why did your &#8220;good friend up in Boston,&#8221; go with the 90:10 ratio as opposed to Pareto&#8217;s 80:20? I am 100% positive that your good friend has good reason, re: the rule departure, and would love to know why! When your schedule has a moment, would you please share&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by Chris Sheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very thoughtful and well articulated post on the investor dynamics with respect to consumer/SMB facing web app businesses.  Totally agree.

Chris</description>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by fiveyearstoolate</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiveyearstoolate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - this is Eric, but as a co-author of this post I&#039;ll try to respond. 

In the larger sense no, we&#039;re not taking a position on VC as an asset class with this post. The reason we&#039;re not is because the binary pricing phenomenon that exists today is driven largely by the collapse in fixed costs required to build a certain type of startup. More specifically, consumer (or SMB-facing) web startups built primarily on open-source &quot;tech lite&quot; stacks (LAMP, etc...). For these startups the binary pricing emerges because only a minimal asset is generated by initial product development efforts. These are essentially engines for either consumer engagement or transaction monetization - in either case there is no equity value generated until good early evidence of uptake is present. Once a true ramp has begun, it is easy to understand and see the power of habit, network effects and brand-building take place and high value generated as a result. This is why binary deal pricing takes place - if we (and by we I mean investors generally) believe you have found a real vein of consumer engagement or the ability to monetize a particular time of transaction, we get very excited, but until that happens it&#039;s unclear that a tractionless startup has anything of value.

This isn&#039;t a position on VC as an asset class because despite the popularity of this type of startup within the social media world, they represent a relatively small portion of overall startup activity (and a much smaller portion of overall startup revenue and ultimate exit success). Most other categories of startup (software, bio-sciences, clean-tech, hardware, etc...) don&#039;t follow these rules, require much more capital and creation of value prior to uptake, and so binary pricing doesn&#039;t take place.

In the smaller sense, we agree with your statement as it pertains to the consumer web. There will be a few big winners and it will be competitive to get into those deals. As VCs fund numerous no-traction competitors to these winners, you&#039;ll see evidence of venture&#039;s inability to scale in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; this is Eric, but as a co-author of this post I&#8217;ll try to respond. </p>
<p>In the larger sense no, we&#8217;re not taking a position on VC as an asset class with this post. The reason we&#8217;re not is because the binary pricing phenomenon that exists today is driven largely by the collapse in fixed costs required to build a certain type of startup. More specifically, consumer (or SMB-facing) web startups built primarily on open-source &#8220;tech lite&#8221; stacks (LAMP, etc&#8230;). For these startups the binary pricing emerges because only a minimal asset is generated by initial product development efforts. These are essentially engines for either consumer engagement or transaction monetization &#8211; in either case there is no equity value generated until good early evidence of uptake is present. Once a true ramp has begun, it is easy to understand and see the power of habit, network effects and brand-building take place and high value generated as a result. This is why binary deal pricing takes place &#8211; if we (and by we I mean investors generally) believe you have found a real vein of consumer engagement or the ability to monetize a particular time of transaction, we get very excited, but until that happens it&#8217;s unclear that a tractionless startup has anything of value.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a position on VC as an asset class because despite the popularity of this type of startup within the social media world, they represent a relatively small portion of overall startup activity (and a much smaller portion of overall startup revenue and ultimate exit success). Most other categories of startup (software, bio-sciences, clean-tech, hardware, etc&#8230;) don&#8217;t follow these rules, require much more capital and creation of value prior to uptake, and so binary pricing doesn&#8217;t take place.</p>
<p>In the smaller sense, we agree with your statement as it pertains to the consumer web. There will be a few big winners and it will be competitive to get into those deals. As VCs fund numerous no-traction competitors to these winners, you&#8217;ll see evidence of venture&#8217;s inability to scale in this way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by Binary Pricing « Five Years Too Late &#124; techspill blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binary Pricing « Five Years Too Late &#124; techspill blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by johnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart, great post.  With this argument, you&#039;re effectively taking a position on venture capital as an asset class (vs a cottage industry) debate.  The skillset that VCs (at least in internet as you note in previous comment) need is competing to get into the top deals.  Thus, perhaps only the best firms can make money and limits the scalability of the asset class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart, great post.  With this argument, you&#8217;re effectively taking a position on venture capital as an asset class (vs a cottage industry) debate.  The skillset that VCs (at least in internet as you note in previous comment) need is competing to get into the top deals.  Thus, perhaps only the best firms can make money and limits the scalability of the asset class.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by Stuart Ellman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Ellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes David, I totally agree.  I was talking about real time data and web based deals.  IP intensive and especially hardware deals take a lot more money and a longer gestation period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes David, I totally agree.  I was talking about real time data and web based deals.  IP intensive and especially hardware deals take a lot more money and a longer gestation period.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by David Semeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Semeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Stuart, your post is very much in-line with current dynamics, especially for services with limited IP.

However, every rule has its exceptions. Not all business can be launched on a shoestring (it cost AMZN $2bn to create AWS). This is especially true of infrastructure businesses - providing a buggy, if innovative, first release can mortally damage how you&#039;re perceived. 

In these cases, ie where the company brings a substantial amount of proprietary IP to the table, and aims to take away clearly appreciable pain, then there is strong case for a decent tractionless valuation. It&#039;s almost as if the investment becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because should traction occur - and this goes back to the conviction over how much pain will be removed - then the company will have a defensible competitive advantage for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Stuart, your post is very much in-line with current dynamics, especially for services with limited IP.</p>
<p>However, every rule has its exceptions. Not all business can be launched on a shoestring (it cost AMZN $2bn to create AWS). This is especially true of infrastructure businesses &#8211; providing a buggy, if innovative, first release can mortally damage how you&#8217;re perceived. </p>
<p>In these cases, ie where the company brings a substantial amount of proprietary IP to the table, and aims to take away clearly appreciable pain, then there is strong case for a decent tractionless valuation. It&#8217;s almost as if the investment becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because should traction occur &#8211; and this goes back to the conviction over how much pain will be removed &#8211; then the company will have a defensible competitive advantage for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Binary Pricing by Vic Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, great post Stu!  and a wake up call for us entrepreneurs in this environment.  the days of funding 2 guys and a dog are far behind</description>
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		<title>Comment on An iPhone Mea Culpa by wpo-tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>wpo-tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see your post.I&#039;m trying to find a VC that understand the business that I&#039;m in, which is network optimization. Network optimization is what makes your iphone work fast or slow. People think it&#039;s all about the device but that&#039;s not true. It&#039;s more about the network...

I developed a revolutionary software to do network optimization automatically, and beyond the human capabilities of engineers. I ran out of money and need finance to build the company but I have the feeling that since I&#039;m not in the business of social website stuff... It looks not so obvious to make vc&#039;s understand that to enjoy doing facebook, youtube, received emails and do video-conference on your iphone, wireless carriers need my software to really provide that to you.Do you want to have a look into my company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see your post.I&#8217;m trying to find a VC that understand the business that I&#8217;m in, which is network optimization. Network optimization is what makes your iphone work fast or slow. People think it&#8217;s all about the device but that&#8217;s not true. It&#8217;s more about the network&#8230;</p>
<p>I developed a revolutionary software to do network optimization automatically, and beyond the human capabilities of engineers. I ran out of money and need finance to build the company but I have the feeling that since I&#8217;m not in the business of social website stuff&#8230; It looks not so obvious to make vc&#8217;s understand that to enjoy doing facebook, youtube, received emails and do video-conference on your iphone, wireless carriers need my software to really provide that to you.Do you want to have a look into my company?</p>
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